Politics is not war by other means
Though, I suppose it can seem like it. No, politics is the expressed will of the people. It is the means by which we decide how we will govern ourselves. And because important things are at stake, politics often involves passion and even rancor.
Over at Always Right Usually Correct, Tony has worked himself into a good head of steam. He is not exactly a fervent support of Michele Bachmann. I'm not familiar with all his reasons for his opposition, but some of it seems to stem from the fact Bachmann has not appeared on his radio show a time or two.
In his post that starts with a link to my account of the SD51 convention, Tony uses some language that you don't usually hear on the conservative side of the aisle.
As he says, among other things Tony is not in favor of the practice of letting delegates know who other like-minded delegates are so they can support their candidate by voting for delegates who will also vote for their candidate.
I am quite in favor of that practice. I think it is good politics. Yet Tony refers to those who do support the use of slates as "blinded", people who "cannot think independently", and who "have to be told exactly who to vote for because they lack the cognitive ability to decide for themselves."
Gracious.
I suppose I cannot speak for everyone, but I am quite certain I am not blinded. I am quite capable of thinking and deciding for myself which candidate I support and why.
In fact, trusting people and their own judgment is a hallmark of conservative ideology. Tony continues:
I regret that Tony has become physically ill over the issue, but again, how is the game rigged. People are perfectly free to support whichever candidate they wish. At the SD51 convention last Saturday, people voted for delegates with no threat of punishment if they didn't vote a certain way. No one was standing over us with cattle prods making us vote for certain delegates. Nobody dumped a bucket filled with prewritten ballots into the teller's lap. So how was anything rigged?
I willingly voted for other delegates who support Bachmann because I want to see Bachmann get the endorsement. I, as a private citizen, completely of my own accord, took steps to participate in the process and try and do what I could for the candidate of my choice. Would Tony rather I vote for delegates at random?
There is more, but Tony concludes:
I don't know that the free and fair practice of politics really deserves such histrionics. But, I think a danger in local politics is that for those who like to participate in the process, it's like a hobby. They enjoy it, it's what they spend time on, they get to know other people in the hobby, and after awhile they tend to have a feeling of ownership about the whole thing.
Again, just speaking in general terms, the trap for officers in local districts is to see their district as their fiefdom, and candidates coming in to seek support as intruders.
At the convention last Saturday just before we voted for delegates, one such local official argued that we shouldn't refer to any "slates", but instead we should vote for people who have worked in the process, who have done the legwork, etc...
I don't deny those who work in the local district deserve commendation for their service. But, the right to be a delegate should not be a perk conveyed upon political bosses. That elitist attitude has no business in conservative circles.
When neighbors get together and in the open and above board vote for whomever they wish, that's not "stuffing the ballot", it's politics in its noblest form.
Over at Always Right Usually Correct, Tony has worked himself into a good head of steam. He is not exactly a fervent support of Michele Bachmann. I'm not familiar with all his reasons for his opposition, but some of it seems to stem from the fact Bachmann has not appeared on his radio show a time or two.
In his post that starts with a link to my account of the SD51 convention, Tony uses some language that you don't usually hear on the conservative side of the aisle.
I will next point out I have been consistently against using the grey area of "unethical yet legal" in campaigns.
What is a shame is the number of Republicans who are blinded by the need to win. More accurately is the number of Republicans who are blinded by the need for THEIR candidate to win. When it is their candidate then "it is the system we have".
I find the practice of fixing the endorsement a sign of weakness. Bachmann knows that she is the weaker of the candidates and cannot risk allowing the endorsement in the hands of a group of individually thinking people. Instead she has to find people who cannot think independently, cannot stand up in the convention when running for delegate and speak their mind ("vote for me because I'm a Bachmann robot supporter"), who have to be told exactly who to vote for because they lack the cognitive ability to decide for themselves.
As he says, among other things Tony is not in favor of the practice of letting delegates know who other like-minded delegates are so they can support their candidate by voting for delegates who will also vote for their candidate.
I am quite in favor of that practice. I think it is good politics. Yet Tony refers to those who do support the use of slates as "blinded", people who "cannot think independently", and who "have to be told exactly who to vote for because they lack the cognitive ability to decide for themselves."
Gracious.
I suppose I cannot speak for everyone, but I am quite certain I am not blinded. I am quite capable of thinking and deciding for myself which candidate I support and why.
In fact, trusting people and their own judgment is a hallmark of conservative ideology. Tony continues:
What is more sickening is that people cannot see through the fact that the game is rigged and standing ovations at the end of Bachmann's empty rhetoric is a part of the scam.
I regret that Tony has become physically ill over the issue, but again, how is the game rigged. People are perfectly free to support whichever candidate they wish. At the SD51 convention last Saturday, people voted for delegates with no threat of punishment if they didn't vote a certain way. No one was standing over us with cattle prods making us vote for certain delegates. Nobody dumped a bucket filled with prewritten ballots into the teller's lap. So how was anything rigged?
I willingly voted for other delegates who support Bachmann because I want to see Bachmann get the endorsement. I, as a private citizen, completely of my own accord, took steps to participate in the process and try and do what I could for the candidate of my choice. Would Tony rather I vote for delegates at random?
There is more, but Tony concludes:
I am disappointed in the party's members for not recognizing this for what it is. The moral character of the party is disintegrating before my eyes this year.
I don't know that the free and fair practice of politics really deserves such histrionics. But, I think a danger in local politics is that for those who like to participate in the process, it's like a hobby. They enjoy it, it's what they spend time on, they get to know other people in the hobby, and after awhile they tend to have a feeling of ownership about the whole thing.
Again, just speaking in general terms, the trap for officers in local districts is to see their district as their fiefdom, and candidates coming in to seek support as intruders.
At the convention last Saturday just before we voted for delegates, one such local official argued that we shouldn't refer to any "slates", but instead we should vote for people who have worked in the process, who have done the legwork, etc...
I don't deny those who work in the local district deserve commendation for their service. But, the right to be a delegate should not be a perk conveyed upon political bosses. That elitist attitude has no business in conservative circles.
When neighbors get together and in the open and above board vote for whomever they wish, that's not "stuffing the ballot", it's politics in its noblest form.
6 Comments:
At Wed Mar 29, 05:26:00 PM, Anonymous said…
Amen. Methinks the status quo here in the USA is quite right. Nice we can do all this without outgrageous violence or a police state thumping us over the head(ie Iraq and Iran)
At Fri Mar 31, 11:50:00 AM, Tony said…
I think the big difference between what you hoist as the process working and what Bachmann is actually doing is the active part of activist. The Bachmann slate are, from what I have heard (and will witness soon enough first hand, I'm certain), mostly people there for one reason: Bachmann's endorsement. There is not an interest in doing any of the other business of the convention.
If these people were picking up the slack created by pushing out the BPOU's active members I would agree with you. They seem to not be doing that.
You are correct, these things are typically attended by those who enjoy all of the process. They are active and energized. Pushing them out simply because they are not Bachmann Backers IS what will eat the innards of the 6th GOP.
If you want to support delegates that support Bachmann then stand up during your 30-second speech and say who you support. Why the need for slates to be printed out, directions of who to follow on "key votes"?
That is why I call them sheep and unable to think for themselves. You are the exception. From my gathering you seem to be a rare anomoly among the Bachmann folks.
At Fri Mar 31, 11:58:00 AM, Tony said…
One more thing...
There are a large number of people who we invite on our show that do not accept the invitation. The reason I blast Bachmann is that she accepts the invitation and then fails to hold to her obligations.
That inability to hold to her promises is what I blast her for. That lack of character is why I decided back in September I would not back her. As for her campaign the only question in my mind is would I be willing to pull the lever for her in November, skip that race or pull the lever for her opponent. As it is right now I will skip the race if the race is Wetterling vs Bachmann (I skip the lesser of two evils); I will vote for Tinklenberg over Bachmann (character, character, character)
At Sun Apr 02, 12:25:00 PM, lloydletta said…
David Strom gives his take over at Residual Forces:
I want to make sure everyone understands my position:
I am not questioning Michele Bachmann’s integrity. But I want to make it clear that the lit piece she is distributing doesn’t correctly portray the facts.
In her clarification, Bachmann changes goalposts from her lit piece. In the lit piece, she refers to 2000-4, and specifically mentions the 2001, 2, 3, and 4 scorecards. Phil’s lifetime score goes back to 1997, and I can assure you that Krinkie could give an explanation for each vote he took.
By focusing on the scores, especially a 1 point differential, Bachmann opens herself up to this kind of criticism. By saying she outperformed Krinkie in those years, she begged people to check the facts.
If instead she had simply argued that she was as fiscally conservative as Krinkie, and her scores show that they are nearly indistinguishable, there would have been little grounds to criticize her. It would be nitpicking. But as the lit piece invited nitpicking by claiming that a 1 point difference in lifetime scores shows she outperformed Krinkie, she invited people to point out that the numbers don’t add up, and invited a discussion of the 2005 score issue.
That was a mistake, and Bachmann would do well to drop the lit piece in my opinion. It is not accurate, and any fair examination of the facts shows that. In no way shape or form did her lit piece suggest that Krinkie and Knoblach’s votes from 1997, 1998, and 1999 were included in those scores. In fact, by referencing on 2001-4 by year, she made it clear that she was comparing the time they were all in the legislature together.
I wish this issue would just go away. I am quite fond of Michele personally.
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Bottom line, if Bachmann had any intregrity, she'd pull her bill.
At Sun Apr 02, 02:04:00 PM, lloydletta said…
David Strom weighs in over on Residual Forces:
# David Strom Says:
April 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 am
I want to make sure everyone understands my position:
I am not questioning Michele Bachmann's integrity. But I want to make it clear that the lit piece she is distributing doesn't correctly portray the facts.
In her clarification, Bachmann changes goalposts from her lit piece. In the lit piece, she refers to 2000-4, and specifically mentions the 2001, 2, 3, and 4 scorecards. Phil’s lifetime score goes back to 1997, and I can assure you that Krinkie could give an explanation for each vote he took.
By focusing on the scores, especially a 1 point differential, Bachmann opens herself up to this kind of criticism. By saying she outperformed Krinkie in those years, she begged people to check the facts.
If instead she had simply argued that she was as fiscally conservative as Krinkie, and her scores show that they are nearly indistinguishable, there would have been little grounds to criticize her. It would be nitpicking. But as the lit piece invited nitpicking by claiming that a 1 point difference in lifetime scores shows she outperformed Krinkie, she invited people to point out that the numbers don’t add up, and invited a discussion of the 2005 score issue.
That was a mistake, and Bachmann would do well to drop the lit piece in my opinion. It is not accurate, and any fair examination of the facts shows that. In no way shape or form did her lit piece suggest that Krinkie and Knoblach's votes from 1997, 1998, and 1999 were included in those scores. In fact, by referencing on 2001-4 by year, she made it clear that she was comparing the time they were all in the legislature together.
I wish this issue would just go away. I am quite fond of Michele personally.
At Sun Apr 02, 02:47:00 PM, Jeff said…
Thanks for the update. I think Strom has it right. By highlighting minute differences, and by not correctly stating what numbers they were using, the Bachmann campaign created an issue where there was none.
For me, I'm not all that concerned if the numbers are in the 90s. I take it to be an indication that someone is committed to fiscal sanity, and there really isn't a significant difference between 96 and 95.
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